{"id":232854,"date":"2025-10-16T10:42:05","date_gmt":"2025-10-16T14:42:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ibkrcampus.com\/campus\/?p=232854"},"modified":"2025-10-16T10:59:22","modified_gmt":"2025-10-16T14:59:22","slug":"are-we-ready-for-a-billion-robots","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/podcasts\/ibkr-podcasts\/are-we-ready-for-a-billion-robots\/","title":{"rendered":"Are We Ready for a Billion Robots?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Broadcasting from London, <strong>Gerry Perez, CEO of Interactive Brokers U.K.<\/strong>, sits down with <strong>Jonathan Krane, CEO of KraneShares<\/strong>, to discuss the global rise of humanoid technology. Together, they explore how AI, innovation, and international markets are converging to shape a future that could soon include a billion robots.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Are We Ready for a Billion Robots?\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=7u65h-1995fa8-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-summary-ibkr-podcasts-ep-308\">Summary \u2013 IBKR Podcasts Ep. 308<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The following is a summary of a live audio recording and may contain errors in spelling or grammar. Although IBKR has edited for clarity no material changes have been made<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez\"><strong>Gerry Perez<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Welcome everyone to our podcast, live from our offices here in London. My name is Gerry Perez, and we are hosting KraneShares with Jonathan Krane. Jonathan, welcome to our podcast.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Thank you. It\u2019s great to be here, and thanks for having us. It\u2019s great to be in London.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez-0\"><strong>Gerry Perez<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>So tell us a little bit about KraneShares.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane-0\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Sure. KraneShares is an ETF firm headquartered in New York City. We manage various types of strategies listed on the London Stock Exchange, as well as in New York and on Nasdaq. Our strategies focus on China, emerging technologies, alternative strategies, and carbon credits.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez-1\"><strong>Gerry Perez<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>So what brings KraneShares over to London?\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane-1\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>We\u2019re very excited to be here, and today we listed an ETF fund on the London Stock Exchange.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez-2\"><strong>Gerry Perez<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>That\u2019s great. And it has to do with humanoid technology. How did you get involved in it?\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane-2\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>At KraneShares, we look for megatrends, and much of our focus today is on technology. These are long-term trends \u2014 20-year-type opportunities. We also focus on technology themes that have both China and United States involvement, where there\u2019s leading innovation. Humanoid robots are just beginning. It\u2019s predicted that there will be over a billion humanoid robots on the planet in the next 20 years. Morgan Stanley predicts it\u2019s a $5 trillion industry, and KraneShares launched the first humanoid robot fund in the world. We want to offer investors early access to what we think is a long-term megatrend.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez-3\"><strong>Gerry Perez<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>So the fund is made up of what components in order to have the outcome?\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane-3\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong>\u00a0<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>The fund is made up of the whole ecosystem of humanoid robots \u2014 from the rare earth metals to the batteries, to the chips, to the hardware, and also the producers of humanoid robots.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez-4\"><strong>Gerry Perez<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>And the retail space just got involved in this, or has it always been able to invest?\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane-4\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong>\u00a0<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>For public investing, this is the first time this has been offered.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez-5\"><strong>Gerry Perez<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>That\u2019s fantastic. In bringing this over, there\u2019s a lot of talk right now about artificial intelligence and humanoids. So is artificial intelligence humanoids the same technology, or is it separate?\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane-5\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>AI is a big part of humanoids. Artificial intelligence is a major driver of robots going forward. The chip companies are very important, the battery companies are going to be very important, and obviously the hardware too.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez-6\"><strong>Gerry Perez:<\/strong>\u00a0<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>You personally \u2014 what got you involved?\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane-6\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>We\u2019ve been following this for a couple of years. We saw a lot of technology leadership coming out of China, and we\u2019ve been following those companies. 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It was the first time.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez-10\"><strong>Gerry Perez<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>So as the retail space starts adapting into humanoids and the hardware, is it costly to buy one of these robots?\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane-10\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>I think the costs, depending on the robot and the type, can be very affordable to more sophisticated robots that are higher priced. But really, it\u2019s where the use cases are coming in. The number one use case is in factories and production \u2014 manufacturing, the automation of manufacturing, where humanoid robots will play a significant role. You also see robots in universities; many universities are buying robots and offering new career directions around this industry and learning about robotics and humanoid robots. We also see it in hospitals and in elderly care. Those are initial use cases, but I think it\u2019s going to expand. You\u2019ll see it in retail, shopping, and other experiences. Eventually, where there could be a billion robots in the world, I think there will be many new use cases. And what\u2019s this all about? It\u2019s really about creating efficiencies and conveniences \u2014 that\u2019s what\u2019s driving this.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez-11\"><strong>Gerry Perez<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>And KraneShares\u2019 headquarters is\u2014\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane-11\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Yes, headquartered in New York City.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-gerry-perez-12\"><strong>Gerry Perez<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Maybe expansion in the near future as the technology grows as well?\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jonathan-krane-12\"><strong>Jonathan Krane<\/strong>\u00a0<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Absolutely. We\u2019re in New York City, and we also have an office in London. 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