{"id":227147,"date":"2025-07-10T12:51:22","date_gmt":"2025-07-10T16:51:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ibkrcampus.com\/campus\/?p=227147"},"modified":"2025-07-14T16:38:56","modified_gmt":"2025-07-14T20:38:56","slug":"taking-things-to-extremes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/traders-insight\/taking-things-to-extremes\/","title":{"rendered":"Taking Things to Extremes"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>It is always difficult to spot when markets are taking situations to extremes, and even more difficult to determine whether those extremes are immediately problematic.&nbsp; One must wonder whether traders have become so certain about buying dips that they no longer sell on bad news, fearing they&#8217;ll miss a buying opportunity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Unfortunately, the longer a market environment is taken to or beyond its normal limits, the more painful the eventual resolution.&nbsp; We could be setting up situations where highly sanguine investors might be forced to once again reckon with revised earnings guidance and the eventual implementation of tariffs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Underlying this situation is the ability for momentum-driven markets to ignore fundamentals.&nbsp; This is a topic that we have discussed at length before, and in detail in a piece we wrote in May entitled <a href=\"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/traders-insight\/securities\/macro\/when-momentum-rules-fundamentals-are-optional\/?query=Momentum%20fundamentals%20&amp;query_id=_WLS4PVgRh-yEZCE5JEDdg&amp;index=engine-name-placeholder&amp;user_token=_WLS4PVgRh-yEZCE5JEDdg\">When Momentum Rules, Fundamentals are Optional<\/a>.&nbsp; The key thrust of that article was:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>[F]undamentals don\u2019t really matter when momentum rules.&nbsp; Price action, not the underlying justification for those prices, is all that\u2019s important.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We added,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Fundamentals do eventually matter, but the price action can continue without regard to them for long periods of time.&nbsp; In theory, markets are constantly interpreting all available information to find a stable fair values.&nbsp; In reality, they are subject to a wide range of motivations and opinions that might have little to do with that noble search.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>When momentum and sentiment are strongly positive, traders can overlook almost anything.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The original piece was written as stocks were recovering from the April swoon.&nbsp; That drop was a reminder that momentum trades can go viciously awry, but that was not the actual catalyst for the comments.&nbsp; We were noting that investors who were intent upon bargain hunting were charitable rather than punitive toward companies who chose not to offer guidance, citing tariff uncertainty:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>We\u2019ve seen very charitable responses to corporate earnings in recent weeks.&nbsp; In any normal quarter, a company that withdraws 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course now?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>As long as the market can plausibly assert that there is room for negotiation or extension, then it won\u2019t freak out\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Thanks to the relentless dip buying, the \u201chalf-life\u201d of dips has been drastically shrinking.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Something occurred to me when I was asked about the \u201chalf-life\u201d comment during <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bing.com\/ck\/a?!&amp;&amp;p=9a1e1fc6c85154ed25bf4ccb9019a404ef57ff65aa9a98ab9ce1bd4d7fb00594JmltdHM9MTc1MjEwNTYwMA&amp;ptn=3&amp;ver=2&amp;hsh=4&amp;fclid=396fb4cb-d070-6bc1-3e1a-a19ad1c06ae6&amp;psq=cnbc+sosnick&amp;u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuY25iYy5jb20vdmlkZW8vMjAyNS8wNy8wOS9tYXJrZXQtaXMtY2hhcmFjdGVyaXplZC1ieS1tb21lbnR1bS1hbmQtZm9tby1zYXlzLWludGVyYWN0aXZlLWJyb2tlcnMtc29zbmljay5odG1sP21zb2NraWQ9Mzk2ZmI0Y2JkMDcwNmJjMTNlMWFhMTlhZDFjMDZhZTY&amp;ntb=1\">a media appearance yesterday<\/a>.&nbsp; It occurred to me that,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>If one is conditioned to see every dip 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