{"id":217461,"date":"2025-01-15T13:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-01-15T18:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ibkrcampus.com\/campus\/?p=217461"},"modified":"2025-01-23T12:11:50","modified_gmt":"2025-01-23T17:11:50","slug":"extreme-sentiment-led-to-a-powerful-post-cpi-move","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/traders-insight\/securities\/macro\/extreme-sentiment-led-to-a-powerful-post-cpi-move\/","title":{"rendered":"Extreme Sentiment Led to a Powerful Post-CPI Move"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/traders-insight\/securities\/macro\/socially-acceptable-volatility\/\">Socially acceptable volatility<\/a> is rearing its head again today.&nbsp; The proximate cause of today\u2019s rallies in stocks and bonds was a better-than-expected month-over-month Core CPI reading, but the magnitude of the rallies reflected the jittery sentiment that had pervaded markets \u2013 particularly in the fixed income arena.&nbsp; Extremes in sentiment lead to outsized moves.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Seeing a 0.2% rise in December\u2019s Core CPI was unequivocally a positive development.&nbsp; Decelerating inflation is always welcome, particularly after Friday\u2019s jobs data inspired traders to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/traders-insight\/securities\/stocks\/stock-traders-once-again-reveal-their-liquidity-addiction\/\">temper their expectations for rate cuts<\/a> in the coming year.&nbsp; Today\u2019s report hasn\u2019t caused traders to fully restore their rate cut expectations to the levels that prevailed last Thursday, but they have improved since yesterday:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"849\" height=\"378\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/01\/Picture1-18.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-217463 lazyload\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/ibkrcampus.com\/campus\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/01\/Picture1-18.png 849w, https:\/\/ibkrcampus.com\/campus\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/01\/Picture1-18-700x312.png 700w, https:\/\/ibkrcampus.com\/campus\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/01\/Picture1-18-300x134.png 300w, https:\/\/ibkrcampus.com\/campus\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2025\/01\/Picture1-18-768x342.png 768w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 849px) 100vw, 849px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 849px; aspect-ratio: 849\/378;\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The swings in the implied rates for December 2025 roughly correspond with the moves in 2-year and 10-year Treasuries that we have seen over that period.&nbsp; For example, 2-year rates are 9 basis points lower and 10-year rates are 13bp lower so far today.&nbsp; Throw in a bit of a relief rally into the more volatile long end of the yield curve and we can see that positive sentiment about the Fed is once again driving a wide range of asset prices.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>During <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/video\/2025\/01\/13\/what-the-bond-market-signals.html?&amp;qsearchterm=sosnick\">a media appearance on Monday<\/a>, I noted that bond market sentiment had become so extreme that there was a solid likelihood for a post-inauguration bond rally if the first round of executive orders about tariffs and immigration proved to be less concerning than what the markets were pricing in.&nbsp; Frankly, I didn\u2019t expect such a reaction this quickly, though.&nbsp; But once again, when sentiment becomes extreme in one direction or another, it is not at all unusual to see a large knee-jerk reaction in the opposite direction when something causes that sentiment to change \u2013 particularly when that change is spurred by a fundamental basis.&nbsp; And today\u2019s change was indeed spurred by a positive fundamental.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But we should also take note of the fact that volatility is having a bit of a resurgence lately.&nbsp; Today is the 18<sup>th<\/sup> trading day since (including) the December 18<sup>th<\/sup> FOMC meeting.&nbsp; Assuming we hold onto at least most of the current gains, this would be the 9<sup>th<\/sup> day when the S&amp;P 500 (SPX) closes with a move of greater than +\/- 1%.&nbsp; You wouldn\u2019t know that from seeing the Cboe Volatility Index (VIX) plunge to a 16 handle today, but the rally certainly quelled some <a href=\"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/traders-insight\/securities\/stocks\/asymmetric-risks-and-vix\/?query=VIX%20demand%20for%20hedging&amp;query_id=mRKigeNpROWjALXuj0QBoQ&amp;index=engine-name-placeholder&amp;user_token=mRKigeNpROWjALXuj0QBoQ\">demand for hedging protection<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The current period of greater than average volatility is not a particularly ominous sign, though the only period that featured a concentrated set of moves of this magnitude was late July \u2013 early August, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/traders-insight\/securities\/stocks\/carried-away-then-carried-out\/\">when the yen carry trade imploded<\/a>.&nbsp; After a brief period of jitters, markets quickly recovered, certainly buoyed by the recognition that the Fed was poised to cut rates \u2013 which they did just a few weeks later.&nbsp; We can certainly debate the current prospects for rate cuts in the near future \u2013 and you can express your opinions using the <a href=\"https:\/\/forecasttrader.interactivebrokers.com\/eventtrader\/#\/market-details?id=658663572202509173.8751&amp;detail=contract_details\">IBKR ForecastTrader<\/a> \u2013 but it is difficult to expect that a \u201cshock and awe\u201d 50 bp cut is lurking within the near future.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That said, when I was discussing the recent bout of volatility with a friend this morning, <a href=\"https:\/\/libquotes.com\/george-soros\/quote\/lbc8j9m\">a quote came to mind<\/a>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Short term volatility is greatest at turning points and diminishes as a trend becomes established.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Regardless of your personal opinions about his politics, George Soros is one of history\u2019s most successful investors and traders.&nbsp; Thus his insights about investing are worthwhile.&nbsp; As noted above, it is far to early to consider this an ominous sign about a potential turning point for markets, but if the current volatility persists or increases, then this quote would become very pertinent.&nbsp; And remember, volatility encompasses moves in either direction: UP and DOWN.&nbsp; Investors of course prefer the up moves to the down moves, so many are quite pleased today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Socially acceptable volatility is rearing its head again today.  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