{"id":213574,"date":"2024-10-10T12:10:04","date_gmt":"2024-10-10T16:10:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ibkrcampus.com\/campus\/?p=213574"},"modified":"2024-11-11T12:30:56","modified_gmt":"2024-11-11T17:30:56","slug":"lean-in-to-implied-volatility","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/podcasts\/ibkr-podcasts\/lean-in-to-implied-volatility\/","title":{"rendered":"Lean In, to Implied Volatility"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Dmitry Pargamanik and Will McBride, the cofounders of Market Chameleon, join IBKR\u2019s Jeff&nbsp;Praissman&nbsp;to discuss the effect that implied volatility can have on option quotes and how traders can use this to their advantage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"Lean In, to Implied Volatility\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=5273p-1737527-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-summary-ibkr-podcasts-ep-198\">Summary \u2013 IBKR Podcasts Ep. 198<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The following is a summary of a live audio recording and may contain errors in spelling or grammar. Although IBKR has edited for clarity no material changes have been made<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jeff-praissman-nbsp\"><strong>Jeff Praissman<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Hi, everyone. My name is Jeff Praissman with Interactive Brokers. It&#8217;s my pleasure to welcome back to our IBKR Podcast from Market Chameleon, Dmitry Pargamanik and Will McBride. Hey, guys, how are you?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-will-mcbride-nbsp\"><strong>Will McBride<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Hey, Jeff. Thanks for having us.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-dmitry-pargamanik-nbsp\"><strong>Dmitry Pargamanik<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Thanks for having us, Jeff.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-jeff-praissman-nbsp-0\"><strong>Jeff Praissman<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Always a pleasure to have you guys for our monthly podcast. And we just finished up a great webinar on implied volatility leans and option quotes. And we wanted to, as we usually do, just take a little bit of a deeper dive or maybe even a different dive into the subject in our podcast studio.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And if we could kick it off just for our listeners, could you guys just define implied volatility, just going to start from square one?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-dmitry-pargamanik-nbsp-0\"><strong>Dmitry Pargamanik<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Maybe a simpler way to look at implied volatility is it&#8217;s a relative value that is derived from an option pricing model. And what it&#8217;s useful for is if we look at options in general, a stock will have many different options. It will have different strikes, different expirations, calls and puts.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And how do you compare these options? You would need some kind of relative value. 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So now that we&#8217;ve defined the implied volatility and also gave our listeners what&#8217;s involved with the quote, I&#8217;d like to really get into the meat of the subject here. So what exactly is an implied volatility lean in option quotes?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-dmitry-pargamanik-nbsp-3\"><strong>Dmitry Pargamanik<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>So when we look at an option quote, we get a bid and an offer, and sometimes that quote itself can have a limit order. Like we said, like a resting order or a market maker steps up or steps down and squeezes the market. 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And one is that there may be interest on one side of the market that somebody is improving that market to try to get an execution. Maybe they&#8217;re not fully ready to just go and take out the bid or the offer, or maybe they have more than just, they&#8217;re looking to bring in somebody to trade with that could trade in more size or at better prices.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So by improving the market and displaying it, you&#8217;re signaling to the market I&#8217;m on this side willing to improve or buy at a potentially better price.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And it could indicate maybe there&#8217;s just a resting order, a limit order, where the market is moving.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Let&#8217;s say there&#8217;s a limit order to sell a call option. That limit order could have been placed an hour ago, two hours ago, but it was far away from the market. 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