{"id":204507,"date":"2024-04-05T10:15:33","date_gmt":"2024-04-05T14:15:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ibkrcampus.com\/?p=204507"},"modified":"2024-04-05T12:51:50","modified_gmt":"2024-04-05T16:51:50","slug":"an-exploration-of-the-energy-sector-in-a-presidential-year","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.interactivebrokers.com\/campus\/podcasts\/ibkr-podcasts\/an-exploration-of-the-energy-sector-in-a-presidential-year\/","title":{"rendered":"An Exploration of the Energy Sector in a Presidential Year"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Despite its loss of weighting within the broader S&amp;P 500 index, the energy sector remains a source of ballast within investors\u2019 portfolios. Direxion\u2019s Ed Egilinsky discusses the prospects for energy during this election year.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe title=\"An Exploration of the Energy Sector in a Presidential Year\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=e9tsb-15d1cad-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1b1b1b&#038;font-color=ffffff&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=c73a3a\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-summary-ibkr-podcasts-ep-148\">Summary \u2013 IBKR Podcasts Ep. 148<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The following is a summary of a live audio recording and may contain errors in spelling or grammar. Although IBKR has edited for clarity no material changes have been made<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-andrew-wilkinson-nbsp\"><strong>Andrew Wilkinson<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Welcome to this week&#8217;s podcast in which we&#8217;re going to discuss the US energy markets and my guest for this episode is Edward Egilinski, Managing Director and Head of Sales and Distribution at Direxion in New York. Welcome, Ed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-edward-egilinsky-nbsp\"><strong>Edward Egilinsky<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Thanks for having me, Andrew. Appreciate it.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-andrew-wilkinson-nbsp-0\"><strong>Andrew Wilkinson<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>So tell us, Ed, how has the energy sector\u2019s relevance, the size of it, shifted overtime within the S&amp;P 500 index?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-edward-egilinsky-nbsp-0\"><strong>Edward Egilinsky<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Certainly there&#8217;s been a big shift in the reduction of what the energy sector\u2019s weighting represents in the S&amp;P 500. Just for context, at its peak, the energy sector represented about 14% of the S&amp;P 500. Currently, it&#8217;s a little less than 4%.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Historically, the energy sector has had about an 8% weighting within the S&amp;P 500. When you look at the space, the energy sector, there continues to be a consolidation in the space that might represent more opportunity in terms of mergers and acquisitions, for example. And it&#8217;s reflected in the basket of stocks, energy stocks, that make up the S&amp;P 500 now, along with the reduction in the weighting.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The number of energy stocks over the last 10 years that comprised of the S&amp;P 500 have roughly been cut in half. However, it does pack a big punch energy maybe above its weight. No pun intended. The energy sector, representing about 4% of the S&amp;P 500 now. However, earnings within the S&amp;P 500 accounts for about 9% of the total earnings.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-andrew-wilkinson-nbsp-1\"><strong>Andrew Wilkinson<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>2021, I think energy returns were about 53% and 2022 they&#8217;re about 64%.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think year to date the Energy Index itself was up about 5%, as well as the oil and gas exploration products, right?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-edward-egilinsky-nbsp-1\"><strong>Edward Egilinsky<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s two major benchmarks in the energy space. One is the Energy Select Sector Index and that comprises of the basket of stocks within the energy complex that are part of the S&amp;P 500.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And then there&#8217;s more of the, if you want to get more granular, the S&amp;P Oil &amp; Gas Exploration &amp; Production Index. 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So there&#8217;s a continued focus on alternative energy, but at the same time, there&#8217;s still a heavy dependence on fossil fuel.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-andrew-wilkinson-nbsp-3\"><strong>Andrew Wilkinson<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>What about some of the potential unintended consequences of the global green energy initiatives and the shift from fossil fuels?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-edward-egilinsky-nbsp-3\"><strong>Edward Egilinsky<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, I think everybody&#8217;s in agreement. We want cleaner air from a global perspective, but that comes at a little bit of a price short term, as a result of the lack of CapEx spending on energy infrastructure.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So there is a question if fossil fuel continues to be the dominant source of energy over the next couple of years, will we be able to keep up with future demand as a result of that lack of CapEx spending on infrastructure?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now you do have some alternative energy initiatives that have started already. Solar and wind, but keep in mind that&#8217;s really dependent on Mother Nature. So those can&#8217;t really be the two main sources of energy options or alternative energy options because of the fickleness of the weather.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It&#8217;s interesting. EVs have come up a lot lately. 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Part of that could be due to the fact that it&#8217;s very reliant on weather and seasonality. They\u2019re still the biggest drivers of natural gas and it&#8217;s been a little bit more of a of a milder winter.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-andrew-wilkinson-nbsp-5\"><strong>Andrew Wilkinson<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>You mentioned Ukraine and Russia are in there, but what about other big geopolitical catalysts? What have we got to watch out for this year as far as the energy market\u2019s concerned?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-edward-egilinsky-nbsp-5\"><strong>Edward Egilinsky<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>There\u2019s a significant portion of the population and GDP Countries that have elections this year outside of the United States.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-andrew-wilkinson-nbsp-6\"><strong>Andrew Wilkinson<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Global population is about 3 1\/2 billion that\u2019s going through an election this year, right?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-edward-egilinsky-nbsp-6\"><strong>Edward Egilinsky<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah. So it&#8217;s sizable and it&#8217;s involving a number of countries that, of course, impact energy specifically, as well.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And some indirectly related that are heavy consumers of energy. So that&#8217;s important from a political standpoint, including outside the United States. Also the unfortunate situation that there seems to be more global conflict around the world than anytime since World War 2. Hopefully that will start to change and dissipate.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And when it comes to specifically related to oil, two areas. One is the Red Sea, as a result of the Iranians and the Houthis. The impact on transportation. That&#8217;s a big hub, of course for different commodities being transported from that area.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And then as I mentioned, the Ukraine-Russia conflict creating instability within the Black Sea. Another vital area there as well. And then you have the ongoing China-US relations that you have to always be cognizant on, as China is the biggest importer of oil.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And then you have the sanctions currently on Russia, Venezuela and Iran. What if those thought to free up a little bit. Or it&#8217;s not as restrictive, then there&#8217;ll be more oil in the market.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But still Andrew, the biggest unknown or the biggest variable is OPEC+. They just extended their production cuts through the end of June. How committed are they? How long will they continue to keep these cuts as the year continues to go on? Especially if China&#8217;s demand doesn&#8217;t improve significantly relative to where it is today.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-andrew-wilkinson-nbsp-7\"><strong>Andrew Wilkinson<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Ed, talk about that. How instrumental is the Chinese economic recovery in driving ongoing oil demand?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-edward-egilinsky-nbsp-7\"><strong>Edward Egilinsky<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>It&#8217;s definitely a factor, but what&#8217;s interesting is crude oil rose last year and the Chinese economy continued to be very sluggish. One of the keys I think for China is going to be additional government stimulus that could help drive demand. But also when you look at China, if we cut rates here and we&#8217;re not determining yet how many rate cuts. But once we start to get rate cuts here, I think it might help overall and that could include China.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One other emerging market, Andrew, I&#8217;ll mention is India. Largest population right now. Their middle class continues to increase in terms of numbers. That could help supplement maybe some of the loss in demand that we&#8217;re seeing in China.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-andrew-wilkinson-nbsp-8\"><strong>Andrew Wilkinson<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Talk a little bit about energy-related stocks versus the actual underlying commodity, Ed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-edward-egilinsky-nbsp-8\"><strong>Edward Egilinsky<\/strong>&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah, we touched on that a little bit at the beginning of the segment. Physical commodities can and do behave differently than energy related equities. And the correlation of energy stocks to the physical commodity itself is .5 or less over time.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now when you&#8217;re diversifying a portfolio, you may want to look to the physical commodity itself, whether a broad basket or individual commodities like gold. 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